Blackbird 54 Share Posted May 6, 2016 LAUNCHED I've been holding this on for some time adding stuff and keeping it up-to-date with wiki templates, but now I'm not sure what could be improved/added so I'd appreciate if someone has some FEEDBACKAA Test article Changes: Listed all known AA methods Used the info icons to make everything cleaner Divided them into Traditional and Post-Processing Added info about their developers and GPU support Added several new references to everything I could. (More may be needed and maybe less "biased" ones) Removed Nvidia Inspector flags and moved them to Nvidia Inspector article Some things to note: Comparision images still use the old-ass image template and ugly wiki tables. I am not sure if the new templates can reproduce them without being overly huge or aligned to right Types of Anti-Aliasing isn't prettiest, but I think it should stay in some form ATI/AMD specific stuff needs to be looked over by someone who owns either as I can't verify anything as Nvidia user Post any suggestions here in this thread please and DON'T EDIT THE ARTICLE DIRECTLY ELSE IT'LL GET MESSY Marioysikax and Mirh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Share Posted May 6, 2016 Other than, less text, I don't really know yet, I like to keep everything in one row. So like the text at the top, I would shorten it so that it's one row long and I would also add a {{ii}} in front of it. So turn that into a keypoint I guess.I like this format, more or less. Where any info outside the Fixboxes or whatever, is marked with an {{ii}}http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/SteamThat article isn't perfect but whatever now, just so you get an idea.You could probably remove the Developed by stuff maybe? I don't think anyone cares about who made these things, most people woulod rather know how to force these AA modes. I think you should remove anything that's not really important or essential in the end. If it helps the user in any way then sure. I didn't read the article so it's up to you, I'm sure you can figure it out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird 54 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 Other than, less text, I don't really know yet, I like to keep everything in one row. So like the text at the top, I would shorten it so that it's one row long and I would also add a {{ii}} in front of it. So turn that into a keypoint I guess. You mean the info text being in one row? The really long ones used to be text. I could try shortening them if possible. Keep in mind however that most people will find the AAs through wikilinks ie. [[MSAA]] You could probably remove the Developed by stuff maybe? I don't think anyone cares about who made these things, most people woulod rather know how to force these AA modes. Fair enough. I think you should remove anything that's not really important or essential in the end. If it helps the user in any way then sure. I didn't read the article so it's up to you, I'm sure you can figure it out though. Heh. I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCat 11 Share Posted May 6, 2016 As far as I can tell everything related to AMD is correct. I think the Forcing Anti-Aliasing table should simply be merged with all the AA descriptions. It would put a bit more meat on their verbal bones, as well. I also think that using {{ii}} for everything makes the text a bit "heavy" to read. I think I'd like a traditional bulleted list more. The article could use more comparison pictures, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird 54 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 As far as I can tell everything related to AMD is correct.Glad to hear that. I think the Forcing Anti-Aliasing table should simply be merged with all the AA descriptions. It would but a bit more meat on their verbal bones, as well.I was thinking about this. Just need to think of how to execute it I also think that using {{ii}} for everything makes the text a bit "heavy" to read. I think I'd like a traditional bulleted list more.Have to disagree there. This looks more closely to PCGW's aesthetic. The article could use more comparison pictures, too.Problem with that is AA implementation varies by game engines. Post-process ones in particular look different in all games. Mirh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marioysikax 89 Share Posted May 6, 2016 You could probably remove the Developed by stuff maybe? I don't think anyone cares about who made these things, most people woulod rather know how to force these AA modes. I'm still not a fan of removing information just because what majority would search for, but with this I must agree. I do not know what I do with information that crytek has developed certain type of AA, other than some bet on trivia. What matters more is that what types of AA can be used and you already have an table there. Of course it can still be in some collapsable table as other information, but not sure is that vital enough info even then. Problem with that is AA implementation varies by game engines. Post-process ones in particular look different in all games. Ah, I was about to suggest this as well. I would still think that some level of comparisons just to give an idea of differences would be really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird 54 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 Okay developers are gone now! :) The images aren't bad idea but it'd only work for regular AAs. TAA/TXAA's improvement for example is only noticeable in motion and both are also not implemented same always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCat 11 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Even though AA has a varying implementation in games, the relative quality from one AA type to another should stay the same, no? If so we could put multiple forms of AA from the same game for comparison. A good candidate for this would be ArmA 3 which has a three different forms of PPAA (FXAA, SMAA and CMAA), which themselves have different quality settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Share Posted May 6, 2016 I'm still not a fan of removing information just because what majority would search for. I told him to do as he wants to, seeing as I have no idea if there's anything else that really needs to be removed right now without at least reading the whole thing. The whole "By X" is just something I saw at a glance. But, otherwise, if the info is fine then cool, keep it, if he's able to shorten things up then he can do that, without removing stuff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirh 103 Share Posted May 7, 2016 You could probably remove the Developed by stuff maybe? I don't think anyone cares about who made these things, most people woulod rather know how to force these AA modes. Fair enough. Or, I dunno.. just point to actual technical details with reference tags. Said this, I'm still skeptical on the forcing table. Driver-specific stuff should probably be addressed in vendor pages. And perhaps folks would be more interested to a table/graphics were quality and performance are plotted against. Somehow including whether Alpha or blur are there. Also, you should fix headers sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Share Posted May 7, 2016 Or, I dunno.. just point to actual technical details with reference tags. I was going to mention that but, I didn't really know where he could've put the ref tags, in the headers I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird 54 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 Added Quality comparision of several games and several methods done by @LDK in his PC reports. Each game uses different engine so this should balance it out. (Credited him accordingly on each image for his hard work) Forcing AA removed The cube AA example is slightly bigger Images are currently biggest they can be since thumbnails would hide the differences. I could make them smaller obviously, but that would require user to click them which is annoyance. Right now they look perfectly on 1080p, but lower res suffers. EDIT: Testing 500px. I want to hear which one is better or w/e value would be better. I am not putting them below each other though. The page is already long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Share Posted June 9, 2016 The comparisons aren't too great, I don't really like the cube example, it's ugly and it's way too generic\broad and kinda redundant anyway, it's not a very good example either, is there any software where you can check what each type of AA looks like, so that you can later take screenshots of them? Something like this. http://www.nvidia.com/object/coverage-sampled-aa.html http://developer.download.nvidia.com/SDK/10/Samples/CSAATutorial.zip Also right now the page is kinda hard to read, it all feels kinda heavy, I can't come up with any ideas related to that right now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird 54 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 Cool, but that's only MSAA/CSAA. If you can find more I'm willing to add them. The cube is there just to give basic idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Share Posted June 9, 2016 Would it help if you had an NVIDIA only category? Then you could remove the "NVIDIA exclusive" text and stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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