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  1. 6 hours ago, Mirh said:

    Ehrm.. My own limited tests picture another situation.

    It's not super fair to compare dedicated soundcards to a Realtek (even though, this fared relatively good here) but benchmarks made already under Vista shows Creative has more to share with the latter category. So.. I'm wondering how much this is up to the driver, and how much actually the OS. Are you sure all enhancements are disabled? Are the outputs all set to stereo? And could you try normal 16-bit @ 44.1/48 khz?

    Then I'm also no psychologist, but I feel like you really seem *hoping* too much into clueless explanations (no, Dolby just team up for multi-channel endeavors) 


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    ALC887--->Xonar DX



    (full disclosure: I didn't post other results, because noise in the garbled mess of cables I have behind my computer is killer)


    Its lol. 16 bit mode should not be used as it adds noise (dither) for smoothing (quantization feature associated with to reproduce a material of lower bit depth on a higher bit depth of the sound card) Try it yourself to listen to something trite in the 16-bit sound card mode and in 24-bit (but this does not apply to the source of the sound, music or other recordings there ... ). In moments of pause and transition from silence to loud sounds, there will be such background noise similar to telephone.  Specifically now, of course, I already have no opportunity to retest this all again. But I think the other day I will repeat the experiments with another laptop. In general, for the purity of the experiment, I would put windows 7 on my PC, where xonar dx is installed, but it’s hard to install this rudimentary on current platforms (kaby lake). Of course, deviations are possible that the drivers have some kind of fixes for the seven and other magic, but in my case the drivers were the same everywhere with the same conditions.

  2. Sorry for the long answer, we had a problem with the input to the forum from another place, but not the essence.  Just say this: the more direct the frequency response line and the lower the noise value with the mixing of stereo channels, and with less distortion the better. And here you do not need to be an audiophile to understand this, and even more so to feel, it will be noticeable immediately when comparing the two systems in real life by ear. And unfortunately, this situation will occur with any sound card.




    On 12/1/2018 at 10:49 PM, Andytizer said:


    Hello everyone again, after some time after the publication of the comparison tests for sound quality in Windows 7 and 10, this laptop returned to me again and I decided to conduct better tests that finally show a significant difference.
    Used soft: RightMark Audio Analyzer
    See for yourself:
    Frequency Response Graph 24Bit/48KHz
    Frequency Response Graph 24Bit/192KHz
    Stereo Crosstalk:
    Noise level:
  4. Unfortunately, I no longer have the opportunity to conduct more tests, since this requires a second PC. I also read somewhere in the article that they fixed the incorrect work of the resampler, however this did not help much, since I conducted tests with the image of windows 7 which had all the updates until August 2018. And all that I wanted to show with these tests is that windows 10 does not require any special alterations for less-quality sound against a windows 7 background. As with most usage scenarios (in the same games), and for listening to music.


    If, of course, you have free time, try to do comparative testing yourself, playing the sound on one laptop and recording from the desktop via the line-in cable using the same 3.5mm jack connectors. (It is worth noting in this place that a lack of grounding during recording can make a significant error. So I personally advise during this test, disconnect the laptop from charging.) Of course, such a test may have some errors, but I assure you that the picture will differ dramatically in Vista/7/8.1 and 10 with XP. What actually I brought above in this topic in the tests.








    Just while I was temporarily given a laptop for repair (reinstall windows and dust cleaning), there was an opportunity to test the difference in sound for so long, if I heard it, it turned into a difference in graphs. In normal mode, without resorting to using the same output via Openal and ASIO with WASAPI Exclusive, KS. (Of course, which in Windows 7 also return the sound quality, but only in separate and specially customized programs.)


    P.S. But after reading the material with my level of English, I concluded for myself that most likely this change affected the sound quality in Windows 10. Updated WASAPI to support RAW mode so you don't have to use exclusive mode and tie up the device. (We did this in 8.1 in prep for Windows 10 as I recall) https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/50ty05/improved_audio_in_windows_10/d775w2e/?sh=866ba8dc&st=JP63ISJY

    Also, what was interesting, before the release of Windows 10, interesting articles surfaced, which claimed that dolby itself would be engaged in sound. https://www.ixbt.com/news/ht/188909

  5. No, the drivers are the same absolutely and the conditions were all the same for 7 and 10. In the first message of this topic I left a link where it was clearly stated what exactly they had done. And again, everything is easily rechecked by yourself.  And if I understand correctly with my level of English, it is possible that hardware acceleration and processing on hardware has returned to Windows 10, maybe partially. Perhaps the hardware acceleration was still in Windows 8, because when I used such devices, there was a tick in the sound settings that turned it on. But still this does not mean that the same EAX came back with Windows 10, since the API was broken starting with Windows Vista.


    Also during testing all sound improvers were turned off and the maximum sampling quality was set to avoid distortion of the results, however in Windows 7 tests it lost in sound quality. Basically, I started this idea even when I was fond of Linux and noted for myself the exceptional clarity of sound, later with the arrival of Windows 10, I also noticed a high quality of sound that was comparable again with linux, but once I tried to return to Windows 7, I found for myself that the sound somehow sounds like through a cotton pad, which is not in 10. The same thing happened with Windows 8.1, the sound there is also disgusting for me personally just. And it was absolutely not important what exactly I was listening to, whether it be a game, be it a video on the Internet or an ordinary mp3, I am silent about the flac.And starting to study some material, everything turned out that Windows 7 really spoiled the sound, which made it necessary to crutch, i.e. use alternative audio source outputs of the OpenAL type, but this only worked mainly with audio players. But with the advent of Windows 10, such a need has disappeared and you could safely enjoy the sound in any application, and not just through a specially tuned audio player for my music library on the computer. https://habr.com/post/115092/ Actually the very article that explains the reason for the bad sound in windows 7. (need translation from russian language) But what was most interesting was when I asked the same comrades (audiophiles) to conduct an experiment on sound quality difference, they sent me far away and generally said that these differences just seem to you, since in their opinion the sound system remained the same as me and This test led me to the test itself. But of course, the strangest thing is that the sound quality in Windows 7 and 8.1 was distorted by the independence of the sound card and headphones, which at that time were the most usual Panasonic RP-HX350. While I now have practically studio headphones SuperLux HD681.

  6. Yes, for sure, I somehow completely missed this moment with delays for myself, but I myself had such an incident when for some reason the sound came to Windows 7 in some games a little later, especially in network shooters. True it was a long time, but the fact. Also, thanks for helping to understand the situation, I hope this information will not be removed from the article.

  7. Thank you, of course, especially considering my level of English, but I am afraid this edit will also be canceled.

    But it’s not just the latency that are limited.
    This user https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/User:Suicide_machine has for some reason thought himself to be a moderator and thinks that he knows everything better than others in this regard, although I cited above the evidence, which themselves are easily verified with 2 computers.


  8. Hello everyone, I would like to clarify why my editing in the article on sound is constantly canceled?




    {{ii}} For clear and accurate sound on any mode, you must always use Windows 10. The audio subsystem has been significantly reworked. And include Windows Sonic. {{Refurl|url=http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/07/29/windows-10-promises-better-audio-midi-performance-easier-app-development/|title=Windows 10 Promises Better Audio & MIDI Performance, Easier App Development|date=}} Windows 7 and 8.1 spoil the sound and put the interference, since the presence of DRM-mechanism since Vista and introducing WASAPI. What was not in Windows XP.



    Here is the evidence on the pictures below about the difference in sound on the spectrograms.

    As you can probably notice, that on Windows 10 samples are more identical to the original, rather than on Windows 7.


    Used materials in this tests

    Acer Aspire 5333-P462G25Mikk with onboard Realtek Sound Card

    Creative SoundBlasterX G1 USB Sound Card

    Windows 7 64Bit Home Premium with updates on August 2018

    Windows 10 64Bit Home with updates on August 2018

    Drivers from Realtek and Creative for this systems, include intel chipsets and etc.

    All sound enhancements and other effects disabled, max sound quality with 80% volume.


    Test sound from Kaspersky AntiVirus tool


    for capture through Audacity from line input channel

    AsRock H110M-HDV r3.0 with onboard Realtek Sound Card

    Windows 10 64Bit 1803 Pro with updates on August 2018


    Source sound


    Windows 10 on Realtek


    Windows 10 on Creative G1


    Windows 7 on Realtek


    Windows 7 on Creative G1



    The peculiarity of this behavior in terms of sound in Windows 7 was caused by the introduction of DRM at the development stage of Windows Vista, which is also easily confirmed by reading the development literature.


    To carry out this test, recording through the line input via the built-in sound card with the help of Audacity was used and then the results were transferred to the schedule through the Spek.

    The conditions were the same (Volume 80% output and input) and the same player Foobar2000 on default settings (no asio/openal and ks with wasapi exclusive for output) was used.


    For very talented people, I note that the sound system has remained the same since Windows Vista, but has been significantly reworked: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/windows-10-has-better-sound-quality-than-windows-7-on-my-computer-not-necessarily-yours.789224/

    Especially it is important for the old and not-so games that use DirectSound.

    And for those who like to listen to music, and especially in a high quality, because windose 10 does not force you to use all sorts of workarounds crutches mentioned above.

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